Yamaha NS-IW280CWH 6.534; 3-Way In-Ceiling Speaker System (White, Pair) I planned to use these as stand alone speakers in my kitchen. They completely lack any bass or lower mid range. I had them connected to an older Yamaha receiver with an adjustable loudness control and unless I turned the loudness to a level that gave a completely unnatural sound there wasn't even lower midrange. I wasn't expecting these to crank out bass, just give a fairly full sound. No dice. They sounded great in the high and upper mid-range. They'd probably work great as rear surrounds or with a sub. On their own they are a non-starter. I was especially surprised because I have a pair of outdoor Yamaha speakers that appear to be exactly the same components and they sound surprisingly good.